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[mbthecool19]

If you reached this article, wanting to read has Djokovic regained No. 1 ranking before the start of World Tour Finals, 2012, the answer is yes. Read this detailed post to know how the ATP rankings & points look like on 5th November, 2012 & how are the rankings likely to look like after World Tour Finals 2012 ON 12th November, 2012, in this detailed write-up here ----

http://www.rogerfedererfans.com/forum/topic/861-atp-ranking-scenarios-post-world-tour-finals-2012-2012-year-end-atp-rankings/

The Clay season is about to begin . From Federer's perspective the big question is can he regain the no.2 spot before the French Open ?

Ok, now, that Roger Federer has regained No. 2 ranking after Madrid Open, we made a completely new post on what Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal need to do to retain/regain no. 2 ranking after Italian Open, 2012 :: French Open seedings will be done after Italian Open, 2012, so that's why, Italian Open, 2012 is so crucial ----



http://www.rogerfede...lian-open-2012/

As Federer doesn't have too many points to defend before Roland Garros it is a great opportunity for him to regain the #2 spot before French Open . As far as the current situation is concerned here are the points the top players have to defend before French Open .

Novak Djokovic - 1000 (Won Madrid ) + 1000 ( Won Rome ) = 2000

Rafael Nadal - 1000 ( Monte Carlo ) + 600 ( For Madrid Final ) + 600 ( Rome Final ) = 2200 [ Plus Nadal won Barcelona as well which is an ATP 500 tournament , so he should have to defend 500 points for that tournament , but as ATP has a best of 4 rule for the 500 tournaments points of that tournament could be adjusted later in the year as well. We will have to wait & see that. ]

Roger Federer - Roger has the least number of points to defend before the French Open among the top 4 .He only needs to defend 360 ( Madrid semi final last year ) + 45 ( Rome 3 rd Round ) .
So only a total of 405 points .

Andy Murray - 360 ( Monte Carlo Semi ) + 45 ( Madrid Semi ) +360 ( Rome Semi ) = 765

The Current ATP Ranking Points of the Top 4 Players :
1. Novak Djokovic - 12670
2. Rafael Nadal - 9935
3. Roger Federer- 9035
4. Andy Murray - 8040


Rankings as declared on 2nd April, 2012..






The gap between Roger and Rafa is currently 900 points . If Federer manages to win either Madrid or Rome masters or even make 2 finals and Nadal falters in any of those clay events Fed could very well regain the #2 Spot before RG begins . It would be great if he can do that , in that way Djokovic & Nadal could potentially end up in the same half of the draw at the French Open , which is the best case scenario for Roger . Well good luck to our maestro , hope he has a great clay season . Allez



PS : For every one, wanting to understand how these top players lose points for losing early in an ATP 1000 masters, see the points as on 19-03-2012




See, how Roger Federer & Rafael Nadal lost points for losing early in Miami Masters, 2012 as they were semi finalist & finalist in 2011.


While, Novak Djokovic's points remained same as he was the winner of Miami Masters in 2011 also.


Also, do notice the points of Murray changing positively.



PS: If the above mentioned points change is to happen, then for the French Open, 2012


Novak Djokovic will be seeded no. 1,

Roger Federer No. 2 seed,

Rafael Nadal No. 3 seed,

Andy Murray no. 4 ,

David Ferrer or Tomas Berdych No. 5 for the French Open, 2012 (Roland Garros) starting from May, 2012 at Paris, France.


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[Vibhu batra]

Excellent post. Very impressed with your vast knowledge of this great game.


Almost 99% of people will not take the trouble of understanding how rankings work as its a very complicated procedure..


After seeing this post of yours, I told a great friend of mine that our web site & this great country is lucky to have such exceptional intelligent persons like you. :-).....



For those interested, from the start of French Open Till the end of Wimbledon,



Novak Djokovic has to defend 2720 points more, ( 720 French open & 2000 wimbledon).

while Rafael Nadal has to defend 3200 points more, ( 2000 ATP Points for French open & 1200 wimbledon).


While Roger Federer has to defend only 1560 points .... ( 1200 points for french open & 360 wimbledon).


& Andy Murray has to defend 1440 points more...... ( 720 each)



So, definitely its an interesting battle, let's see who can remain 1 & 2 post Wimbledon, 2012...


Disclaimer::: I'm very biased towards Federer :-).....

[Andy]

Very well explained.. I could feel goose bumps on the thought that Nole & Rafa will be in the same half of draw at French open & wimby...


Well, I'm not doubting Fed's caliber, but yes every one knows beating Nole & Rafa in 2 consecutive matches is tough.....


Having said that, still Roger will have to exceptionally well for winning French or Wimby...



Let me make an announcement, if Roger does the Old World Triple again this year ( Rome, Paris , London) , all of you are getting a grand party from me .....



Come on Roger, do it Pleaseeeeee :-))))....

[Andy]

In my last post, small correction, I meant Rafa & Nole ***might be in the same half of the draw in the semis :-).


At the same time, I gotta say that happiness will be doubled if Roger beats both Nole & Rafa to win a Grand Slam .

[mohit]

The post is so well written that I could understand almost every thing..


But, I've one doubt :::


Isn't Monte Carlo an optional ATP 1000 title??


So, are the points of it added or deducted from player's ranking points ??


Thanks for such a nice article....

[GrandSlamGal]

I'm not great with following Ranking points but I've been wondering about Rogers ranking and the possibility that it might change - I would be sad to see Rafa drop back to No.3 but change and competition keeps the tennis world interesting!

Cheers
Mel

[Vibhuism]

The post is so well written that I could understand almost every thing..


But, I've one doubt :::


Isn't Monte Carlo an optional ATP 1000 title??


So, are the points of it added or deducted from player's ranking points ??


Thanks for such a nice article....

As far as I can understand, Monte Carlo isn't a mandatory ATP 1000 masters.


but, the players who played last year, stand a chance to lose points....


Even, I'm still not sure, if let's say, Roger who didn't play last year plays this year and wins, will he get 1000 points?

Madhumita @mbthecool19 , will you please jump in this convo and clarify this?


& yes, sure, I too will clarify this and get back to u. In these last 22 years, I havent had a single doubt on Tennis, that's why Forum rocks .

[mbthecool19]

Hello , To answer Mohit's question yes , Monte Carlo is an optional masters event , but the players who have played this tournament last year have points of this tournament in their ranking total ( As you can see Nadal's ranking points break down contains 1000 points from Monte Carlo Masters http://www.atpworldt...Nadal.aspx?t=rb )

So if he fails to defend it points should be deducted from his original total . As for Djokovic who did not play Monte Carlo last year , the points he gains could be adjusted later this year . As for Roger he did play Monte Carlo last year , he lost to Melzer in the QF's . So Fed may lose 180 points for the QF's
( But He didn't play in Shanghai last year , So when he plays Shanghai points will be adjusted accordingly )
ATP has always modified the system of deducting points over the years , sometimes they do it early , sometimes they do it late .
But I think as Rafa's current total includes Monte Carlo's 1000 points , if he fails to defend it points should be deducted accordingly

[mbthecool19]

Actually ATP made vast changes to its schedule from 2009 . Before 2009 " The World Tour Finals " was called " Tennis Masters Cup " . ( It is still the same event containing top 8 players and includes the Round Robin format )
From ( 2005-2008 ) Tennis Masters Cup was held in Shanghai . Actually the rule was each venue can host the event for 3 years and then the venue changes , but as Shanghai was an extremely successful venue ATP gave them 1 year extension .
But after 2008 ATP made some changes . Hamburg ( Germany ) used to be an 1000 event , but from 2009 it was downgraded to a ATP World Tour 500 event . Madrid Masters 1000 used to be a hard court event held in October , But as they downgraded Hamburg , Madrid was made into a clay court Masters event and moved to May .
Tennis Masters Cup was changed to " World Tour Finals " ( Now held in O2 Arena London ) . Shanghai was made into a masters 1000 event and Monte Carlo Masters was made an optional masters 1000 event .Right Now the "ATP World Tour Masters 1000 " is the following .
1. Indian Wells ( Hard ) , 2. Miami ( Hard ) , 3 . Monte Carlo ( Clay/ Optional ) , 4. Madrid ( Clay ) ,5 . Rome ( Clay ) , 6 . Toronto ( Hard ) , 7 . Cincinnati ( Hard ) ,
8. Shanghai ( Hard ) 9. Paris ( Hard/ Indoor )


PS :The ATP Year End Rankings is based on Best 18 tournaments ( 19 if the player qualifies for the World Tour Finals )
(18 Tournaments = 4 Grand Slams + 8 Mandatory masters 1000 + The Best 4 results from ATP 500 tournaments + The Best of 2 results from ATP 250 Tournaments )

[mohit]

That was the best explanation. Now, I too am an expert in rankings & points. Many thanks for such a comprehensive explanation about the points. Believe me, I had read so much before, but no other post has been this exhaustive yet brief and to the point.

[Vibhuism]

Actually ATP made vast changes to its schedule from 2009 . Before 2009 " The World Tour Finals " was called " Tennis Masters Cup " . ( It is still the same event containing top 8 players and includes the Round Robin format )
From ( 2005-2008 ) Tennis Masters Cup was held in Shanghai . Actually the rule was each venue can host the event for 3 years and then the venue changes , but as Shanghai was an extremely successful venue ATP gave them 1 year extension .
But after 2008 ATP made some changes . Hamburg ( Germany ) used to be an 1000 event , but from 2009 it was downgraded to a ATP World Tour 500 event . Madrid Masters 1000 used to be a hard court event held in October , But as they downgraded Hamburg , Madrid was made into a clay court Masters event and moved to May .
Tennis Masters Cup was changed to " World Tour Finals " ( Now held in O2 Arena London ) . Shanghai was made into a masters 1000 event and Monte Carlo Masters was made an optional masters 1000 event .Right Now the "ATP World Tour Masters 1000 " is the following .
1. Indian Wells ( Hard ) , 2. Miami ( Hard ) , 3 . Monte Carlo ( Clay/ Optional ) , 4. Madrid ( Clay ) ,5 . Rome ( Clay ) , 6 . Toronto ( Hard ) , 7 . Cincinnati ( Hard ) ,
8. Shanghai ( Hard ) 9. Paris ( Hard/ Indoor )


PS :The ATP Year End Rankings is based on Best 18 tournaments ( 19 if the player qualifies for the World Tour Finals )
(18 Tournaments = 4 Grand Slams + 8 Mandatory masters 1000 + The Best 4 results from ATP 500 tournaments + The Best of 2 results from ATP 250 Tournaments )

Very well explained, I really appreciate your knowledge and explanation power.

[mbthecool19]

Thank you Mohit , Vibhu Happy to share .

[Andy]

Just now googled to check How Roger can regain No. 2 & so glad its coming on 1st page . :-)

[mbthecool19]

Since we are discussing about Ranking points I would like to point out this is also an Olympic year , Olympics carry ATP Ranking points too .
Olympics Gold ( 750 pts ) , Silver ( 450 pts ) ,Bronze ( 340 pts ) ,QF ( 135 ) , R16 ( 70 ) and so on .The number of points awarded to the
players at the Olympics was revised after Beijing (2008 ) . It will be interesting to see how ATP adjusts the points post Olympics .

Hope Roger can win the single's gold at London this year , the only thing that eludes the maestro's glorified career Good luck Roger

[Vibhu batra]

yes, the rule for adding Olympics points is quite simple..


as there is no deduction, the points get added as mentioned...


I am searching the 2008 points screen shot & the number of points that Rafa won after winning Olympics Gold in Beijing on 16th August, 2008...

[Vibhu batra]

I mean to say, I also keep records & screenshots of points after every week... I have been keeping these records ever since Andre Agassi won his first & only Wimbledon title in 1992. :-)

[Inez]

Excellent discussion. I had received the email alert of this topic about 3 days back. Got online today & for sure, its very helpful, I have bookmarked the post & will help me to caluclaute points when ever needed. Wel done.

[Anna]

So, good to see.Even, I learnt so many things. Hope, to see Roger reaching no. 1 this year. Allez..

[GrandSlamGal]

MB is the coolest!!!! kindly letting me republish this fantastic post on my blog - with a link to this fabulous forum of course

[Kishore Sharma]

I think now i'm also a tennis ranking expert.
Very well explained. It's really very helpful for us. Thanks MB.